On social justice and how otherkin and plurals are like Raëlians

If otherkinnery has a place in social justice discussions, then it’s only in so far as religions and other belief systems have place in them. And you’re in luck, lots of liberals/SJ’ers actually care about religious diversity and freedom of religion (just look at how they all flock to defend Islam). So IMHO if you frame your kinnery in terms of a belief system (rather than in terms of personal identity*) then you might have better luck in the SJ circles plus people may view you as more honest/sensible than the average tumblrkin (because you’d be admitting that your experience is subjective and quite possibly has nothing to do with universal truth at all — but regardless of that you have the right to live with your beliefs).

(*Imagine if, say, a Christian phrased their beliefs in terms of identity. Imagine they said they identify as someone who is inherently Christian, that it can’t ever change because it just can’t and he has no choice at all because it’s simply true, and imagine he should be allowed to do all the things his beliefs tell him without criticism because it is supposedly a part of his inherent identity.)

I think it’s really sneaky and bastardly that some otherkin and plurals try to edge their  way in as an identity group on par with other oft-mentioned identity groups (you know who I’m talking about), in order to have a slice of that attention and support that they receive. Problem is that you’re not justified in receiving a comparable amount of support/understanding from the wide audience. Of course you want to think that you are, but you’re not. As a group you’re somewhere on par with various new religious movements, like the Raëlians. You deserve about as much special accommodation and outsiders “educating” themselves about your condition as they do.

Now why is that?

Obvious. Because you have no proof and your explanations are outside of this world. If you think your claims of your experiences should be enough then obviously you don’t understand how the real world works. (People [the “wide audience”] should have  more important concerns than things that can’t even be verified as legitimate concerns.) Things like reincarnation, spirits or “co-consciousness” (“headmates”), and even species dysphoria (for the “psychological” otherkin) aren’t even coming close to being considered real. They don’t even sound likely.

I personally support reincarnation research and looking further into things like species dysphoria and whatever other things that may explain some people’s claims. Not that I really believe we might get some positive results but it would be closed-minded not to try at all. Everything is possible, after all. Just some things are more likely to be possible than others, and we don’t actually have a shortage of likely explanations for certain otherkin and plural claims.

Anon, turn around slowly.
For draven/wyrmsyn: I think most otherkin don’t. And besides that, I want to remind everyone, you can of course have opinions about Harris, but you need to keep in mind that he has nothing to do with what’s going on here. He isn’t actually here. There’s just some manchild who pretends to be a psychic medium.
Speaking of which, here’s another reminder for Karkles to give a call to Mr. Randi. Come on, man, a million dollars, how can you say no? Plus you can prove to the world what amazing powers there exist. You’ve “shown” us how your characters walk around in different people’s heads plus you’re communicating with someone who’s dead. That’s like totally amazing so why not prove it? Hmm?

Anon, turn around slowly.

For draven/wyrmsyn: I think most otherkin don’t. And besides that, I want to remind everyone, you can of course have opinions about Harris, but you need to keep in mind that he has nothing to do with what’s going on here. He isn’t actually here. There’s just some manchild who pretends to be a psychic medium.

Speaking of which, here’s another reminder for Karkles to give a call to Mr. Randi. Come on, man, a million dollars, how can you say no? Plus you can prove to the world what amazing powers there exist. You’ve “shown” us how your characters walk around in different people’s heads plus you’re communicating with someone who’s dead. That’s like totally amazing so why not prove it? Hmm?

People thinking their opinion of me was ever relevant. I was just trying to avoid the otherkin wrath in the early days, but this little project here is pretty much completed so it doesn’t matter anymore.
Also do note that it was specifically the so-called factives that caused the change of atmosphere here. If I’m openly hating on anyone, it’s the factives, (not every single otherkin and multiple). What they’re doing is unacceptable and that’s not even up to debate.
You’re only proving what a toxic community this is by choosing to ignore the factive bastards (and all the other problematic users) and deciding to “disapprove” of me instead — for daring to point this stuff out. Go on, shun me all you want. Excommunicate me. Tar me without any actual arguments. Keep acting more and more cult-like, this is exactly what I need to prove my point.

People thinking their opinion of me was ever relevant. I was just trying to avoid the otherkin wrath in the early days, but this little project here is pretty much completed so it doesn’t matter anymore.

Also do note that it was specifically the so-called factives that caused the change of atmosphere here. If I’m openly hating on anyone, it’s the factives, (not every single otherkin and multiple). What they’re doing is unacceptable and that’s not even up to debate.

You’re only proving what a toxic community this is by choosing to ignore the factive bastards (and all the other problematic users) and deciding to “disapprove” of me instead — for daring to point this stuff out. Go on, shun me all you want. Excommunicate me. Tar me without any actual arguments. Keep acting more and more cult-like, this is exactly what I need to prove my point.

‘I’ll Believe You if You Believe Me’ - on Otherkin and Multiple Systems

integrated-mind:

Here’s a quick post on multiplicity (and otherkin) and their disparaging view on critical thought. Just in the Tumblr tags today I read these words:

Think things through before you judge people. We plurals and ‘kin should especially understand that we have to stick together.

Multiples and otherkin have grown up inside a community that values blind acceptance above all else.

Below the cut I discuss just how and why multiple systems (and otherkin) are promoting a dangerous community. Here’s the gist of it for those looking for a quick reblog:

Under multiplicity’s laws you can be whomever you wish. There is no standard, no baseline, no rules to ever be broken, no taboos. This is why the community is addictive and harmful: you will never be questioned on who you are or why. If you are engaging in dangerous behavior or belief systems you will never be questioned on it, and that breeds not only a disconnect from reality, but a disconnect from what is right and wrong.

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something-is-not-right-here:

My interpretation of the search for Karkat.

something-is-not-right-here:

My interpretation of the search for Karkat.

May I ask where you found the glass wall term from? I couldn't find it in any of your reblogs and I really hate trying to read through some of these "system" blogs. If you don't have a specific location, then that's fine, I can google it later.

It was somewhere in the norse-homos blog, it was supposed to explain why s/he knows jack shit about T-Hiddlez even though he’s supposedly their headmate, and I’ve seen the term used before to explain similar things.

Here’s a copy (scroll down a bit, second blockquote): http://lordsteve.tumblr.com/post/27071983057/my-plural-friends-please-read

For those not keeping score at home:

Karkat-person had another “breakdown”, posting short incoherent rants to emphasize how ~upset he is. Then he posts in non-Karkat-type (now “[R]”) about how Karkat has “left the system”, lots and lots of dramatic whining ensues from him and his anons. The conversations turn extremely paranormal, with talks of how Karkat is apparently running around in astral space and people (the same mysterious anons) are “looking” for him. An anon asks if they’re ‘psychic’, [R] does not disagree. (Hey, why don’t you give James Randi a call?)

And then: “I think Karkat’s back. Just heard the door slam in headspace.”

That’s not the punchline. The punchline is that some people actually take this seriously, as in they think this is reality, and proceed to support the bastard. Honestly, even I’m surprised at this point, and I’ve seen a lot.

Later his 14-year-old ex-“boyfriend” posts:

lol this day sucked

first my ex gets called a pedo when the relationship was consensual 

then he gets shat on because of poor Eric

then he leaves his system

then one of my best friends runs away from home and wont pick up her phone

See? Apparently K’s fabricated drama is comparable to or even more important than an underage girl disappearing from home. IRL.

I don’t even know what to end this post with. Someone ring up the anti-cult activists.

My Plural Friends, Please Read

norse-homos:

Recently a few events have unfolded and our good friend Karkat has been outed for having member of his system he wished to keep under wraps to avoid backlash. He’s extremely upset by this turn of events.

This is why we’re making this post. We are willingly going public with a member of our system we’ve kept hidden for some time now out of fear for being judge. We are no longer afraid. This is for you, Karkat. We love you all.

My friends, there exists a type of headmate known as a “factive”. Much like “fictive” their identity is known through various sources. Factives are being who are, essentially, beings who exist out-world. To be blunt and possibly slightly offensive, they are “real” people.

Karkat was outed in having one. Someone who has a bad reputation for something he did in his past. I don’t believe he deserves this reputation anymore. He is a good being. They are all wonderful beings.

So we come to you, followers. We’re here to say that we, too, have such a member. Admittedly, he does not have such a stain on his record. In fact many people love, admire, and respect him

The person in our system we’re referring to is named Thomas William Hiddleston, though you may call him Tom.

There will still likely be backlash from those who find out.

We don’t care.

This isn’t about us looking good. This is about helping a friend in need. A friend who needs just that - a friend who can understand.

Feel free to unfollow. Feel free to leave us messages. We don’t care. We love Karkat, that means way more too us than your hate.

Yeah, I think we’ve reached peak absurdity and abhorrentness in this sad excuse for a community. Everyone, go home. Show’s over.

speedycake:

riaroft:

something-is-not-right-here:

riaroft:

So carcino-fucking-geneticist/the-fuckass-system/the-catbus-system (the “Karkat”, also has Columbine shooter as his headmate) is in “relationships” with candyhorns (some gorey/cannibaly monsterkin), someone else named breakdownofasystem, and “Peter” (as in Peter Parker, I presume), that is, lonelywizard (mostly known for thinking she’s a hogwarts wizard before she became spiderman or something).
All the obvious nutjobbery aside, I bet they all live in different states, in fact I hope they live in different states since “Karkat” is twentysomething (twenty five?) and lonelywizard was fourteen last I checked.
Seriously what the fuck is going on on this fucking website.

Unless someone who makes up crazy shit about having Columbine shooters in their head is also making up shit about their age! :3

Yeah. You can’t believe anything they say.

god I fucking hate system bloggers

speedycake:

riaroft:

something-is-not-right-here:

riaroft:

So carcino-fucking-geneticist/the-fuckass-system/the-catbus-system (the “Karkat”, also has Columbine shooter as his headmate) is in “relationships” with candyhorns (some gorey/cannibaly monsterkin), someone else named breakdownofasystem, and “Peter” (as in Peter Parker, I presume), that is, lonelywizard (mostly known for thinking she’s a hogwarts wizard before she became spiderman or something).

All the obvious nutjobbery aside, I bet they all live in different states, in fact I hope they live in different states since “Karkat” is twentysomething (twenty five?) and lonelywizard was fourteen last I checked.

Seriously what the fuck is going on on this fucking website.

Unless someone who makes up crazy shit about having Columbine shooters in their head is also making up shit about their age! :3

Yeah. You can’t believe anything they say.

god I fucking hate system bloggers

wearemagneton:

heronqueenblues:

can I send out a 100% serious call to people who consider themselves fictive beings to explain why they feel that way to me because I WANT to be understanding but my brain cannot wrap around that and I’m finding it difficult to comprehend

particularly I want to know where you think the fictive identity originates from and how it can be considered real when it came from someone else’s imagination or even if you WOULD consider it real, I want to know how that works or how you’d explain it

I know it’s no one’s responsibility to explain or validate their identity to me, trust me I totally get that, but if you would be so kind I would really appreciate it

Hello. I’m Steve Rogers—Captain America. I’m also a fictive.

I consider my identity real because… well, I’m real. I’m here talking to you. I have the memories and experiences of Steve Rogers.

To me, “fictional” describes my world’s relationship with this one. It’s real to me (and really, that’s all that matters), because I live there. I know and love and protect the people there, as much as I know and love the people here, in this one.

Are you a Fairly Oddparents fan? Because PM is, and we watched an episode about a superhero—the Crimson Chin—which actually did a wonderful job of explaining fictives. In the end, the Chin’s reality was accepted as just as true as Timmy’s, because the Chin was a living, breathing person. Even if the stories came from someone else, the Chin still lived them. They were still real experiences.

I feel like I’m talking in circles, so I’ll stop. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions though. :)
—Steve

I love that he uses FOP to explain fictitvity. That’s just like. Awesome.
—PM 

iammilleuda:

If I leave the room to go to the bathroom, it’ll be the first time I’ve left the room all day. It’s like I haven’t processed that I can.

Like, it makes sense for the afterlife to be a small, vaguely dungeon-like room in a basement. But if I go outside it’s not even the afterlife, it’s just a life.

Okay, well, apparently, people die and life goes on.

Brb, bathroom.

wearemagneton:

Heads-up: There’s a blog going around called bestaboutmes. They are screencapping people’s “About Me” sections and laughing at them. PLEASE do not visit the blog, it’s like Okamp, but with rude commentary added by the mods.

(Yes, our About section is on it, as is the About of a friend of ours.)

This is just a heads up.
—PM 

(If the mods of this site see it, and I know they will, please take ours down. Please?)

multithreaded:

idipes:

multithreaded:

[reblogged as such because of tumblr limitations, insert obligatory disclaimer that I love LP and they’re all great beings; I just have minor wording issues here]

I don’t exactly like the idea that it’s a potential you’re born with. That feels way too much to me like it’s… a way of believing you’re special and better than everyone else. Perhaps a better way of putting it is that you’re “naturally inclined towards multiplicity”… and even then, is that erasing those who are naturally multiple, and then split further due to trauma?

Were I answering this question myself, I’d probably just say “yeah, it is, and it’s not exactly uncommon among writers”, not that it’s a potential that you unlock by facing your inner self after sufficient grinding. :P

—L

Agreed. And system structures change over time for a lot of groups, too. What’s true for a group and its setup now may change over time. Why wouldn’t someone who is singlet now become aware of not being singlet later? 

Edit: we disagree with Jess’ response very much.

Just thought I should add that I originated from being used in roleplay, so it’s at least maybe possible since it’s debatable whether or not I am Valour’s first headmate or not.

-Dash

As a former RP character, I can confirm this. Hell, all of us were RP characters at one point or another.

—S