‘I’ll Believe You if You Believe Me’ - on Otherkin and Multiple Systems

integrated-mind:

Here’s a quick post on multiplicity (and otherkin) and their disparaging view on critical thought. Just in the Tumblr tags today I read these words:

Think things through before you judge people. We plurals and ‘kin should especially understand that we have to stick together.

Multiples and otherkin have grown up inside a community that values blind acceptance above all else.

Below the cut I discuss just how and why multiple systems (and otherkin) are promoting a dangerous community. Here’s the gist of it for those looking for a quick reblog:

Under multiplicity’s laws you can be whomever you wish. There is no standard, no baseline, no rules to ever be broken, no taboos. This is why the community is addictive and harmful: you will never be questioned on who you are or why. If you are engaging in dangerous behavior or belief systems you will never be questioned on it, and that breeds not only a disconnect from reality, but a disconnect from what is right and wrong.

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something-is-not-right-here:

My interpretation of the search for Karkat.

something-is-not-right-here:

My interpretation of the search for Karkat.

The “glass wall effect”

An inherently meaningless yet convenient excuse for fictives/factives (and potentially others) to explain how they can identify as someone/have someone as a headmate yet not actually have any extra information about that being (like memories, factual knowledge, skills and so on).

For those not keeping score at home:

Karkat-person had another “breakdown”, posting short incoherent rants to emphasize how ~upset he is. Then he posts in non-Karkat-type (now “[R]”) about how Karkat has “left the system”, lots and lots of dramatic whining ensues from him and his anons. The conversations turn extremely paranormal, with talks of how Karkat is apparently running around in astral space and people (the same mysterious anons) are “looking” for him. An anon asks if they’re ‘psychic’, [R] does not disagree. (Hey, why don’t you give James Randi a call?)

And then: “I think Karkat’s back. Just heard the door slam in headspace.”

That’s not the punchline. The punchline is that some people actually take this seriously, as in they think this is reality, and proceed to support the bastard. Honestly, even I’m surprised at this point, and I’ve seen a lot.

Later his 14-year-old ex-“boyfriend” posts:

lol this day sucked

first my ex gets called a pedo when the relationship was consensual 

then he gets shat on because of poor Eric

then he leaves his system

then one of my best friends runs away from home and wont pick up her phone

See? Apparently K’s fabricated drama is comparable to or even more important than an underage girl disappearing from home. IRL.

I don’t even know what to end this post with. Someone ring up the anti-cult activists.

What you said to a fictionkin/otherkin: "You aren't a fictional being. Get a real personality and go out and be a real person."
What the fictionkin/otherkin heard: "Identify as Tom Hiddleston."
My Plural Friends, Please Read

norse-homos:

Recently a few events have unfolded and our good friend Karkat has been outed for having member of his system he wished to keep under wraps to avoid backlash. He’s extremely upset by this turn of events.

This is why we’re making this post. We are willingly going public with a member of our system we’ve kept hidden for some time now out of fear for being judge. We are no longer afraid. This is for you, Karkat. We love you all.

My friends, there exists a type of headmate known as a “factive”. Much like “fictive” their identity is known through various sources. Factives are being who are, essentially, beings who exist out-world. To be blunt and possibly slightly offensive, they are “real” people.

Karkat was outed in having one. Someone who has a bad reputation for something he did in his past. I don’t believe he deserves this reputation anymore. He is a good being. They are all wonderful beings.

So we come to you, followers. We’re here to say that we, too, have such a member. Admittedly, he does not have such a stain on his record. In fact many people love, admire, and respect him

The person in our system we’re referring to is named Thomas William Hiddleston, though you may call him Tom.

There will still likely be backlash from those who find out.

We don’t care.

This isn’t about us looking good. This is about helping a friend in need. A friend who needs just that - a friend who can understand.

Feel free to unfollow. Feel free to leave us messages. We don’t care. We love Karkat, that means way more too us than your hate.

Yeah, I think we’ve reached peak absurdity and abhorrentness in this sad excuse for a community. Everyone, go home. Show’s over.

speedycake:

riaroft:

something-is-not-right-here:

riaroft:

So carcino-fucking-geneticist/the-fuckass-system/the-catbus-system (the “Karkat”, also has Columbine shooter as his headmate) is in “relationships” with candyhorns (some gorey/cannibaly monsterkin), someone else named breakdownofasystem, and “Peter” (as in Peter Parker, I presume), that is, lonelywizard (mostly known for thinking she’s a hogwarts wizard before she became spiderman or something).
All the obvious nutjobbery aside, I bet they all live in different states, in fact I hope they live in different states since “Karkat” is twentysomething (twenty five?) and lonelywizard was fourteen last I checked.
Seriously what the fuck is going on on this fucking website.

Unless someone who makes up crazy shit about having Columbine shooters in their head is also making up shit about their age! :3

Yeah. You can’t believe anything they say.

god I fucking hate system bloggers

speedycake:

riaroft:

something-is-not-right-here:

riaroft:

So carcino-fucking-geneticist/the-fuckass-system/the-catbus-system (the “Karkat”, also has Columbine shooter as his headmate) is in “relationships” with candyhorns (some gorey/cannibaly monsterkin), someone else named breakdownofasystem, and “Peter” (as in Peter Parker, I presume), that is, lonelywizard (mostly known for thinking she’s a hogwarts wizard before she became spiderman or something).

All the obvious nutjobbery aside, I bet they all live in different states, in fact I hope they live in different states since “Karkat” is twentysomething (twenty five?) and lonelywizard was fourteen last I checked.

Seriously what the fuck is going on on this fucking website.

Unless someone who makes up crazy shit about having Columbine shooters in their head is also making up shit about their age! :3

Yeah. You can’t believe anything they say.

god I fucking hate system bloggers

iammilleuda:

So there’s a health collective discussion group that Lucja wanted to go to… if she doesn’t, I might.

How would I even introduce myself? Do I just pretend to be Lucja? “Hi, my name is Milleuda, this is actually my afterlife, I’m kinda curious about this whole sexism thing, we didn’t talk about it much back on Ivalice?”

…I mean actually, wanting to learn more about patriarchy is a completely legitimate reason for being there, I guess I don’t have to divulge my entirelifestory to everyone the second I meet them.

Okay, we’ll go together, and if it turns out to be a horribly cissexist environment Lucja can hide behind me because I’m cis. Sounds like a plan.

the-catbus-system:

heronqueenblues:

can I send out a 100% serious call to people who consider themselves fictive beings to explain why they feel that way to me because I WANT to be understanding but my brain cannot wrap around that and I’m finding it difficult to comprehend

particularly I want to know where you think the fictive identity originates from and how it can be considered real when it came from someone else’s imagination or even if you WOULD consider it real, I want to know how that works or how you’d explain it

I know it’s no one’s responsibility to explain or validate their identity to me, trust me I totally get that, but if you would be so kind I would really appreciate it

WOOP WOOP, HELLO THERE. HUGE DOUCHEASS KARKAT HERE.

I BELIEVE I AM A FICTIVE, PARTICULARLY KARKAT FROM HOMESTUCK, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SEEING HIM WAS ME. AND THAT I DO NOT BELONG AS A HUMAN, OR A REAL ANIMAL.

I BELIEVE HOMESTUCK TOOK PLACE IN REALITY (AFTER ALL, THE IDEA OF A RACE OF INSANE ASS, KILLER TROLLS HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, RIGHT?), BUT IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE WHERE ALTERIA EXISTS AND THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED BY SBURB.

ANY QUESTIONS, YOU ARE FREE TO ASK. I DON’T REALLY MIND, BUT I CAN’T PROMISE I WON’T BE RUDE.

wearemagneton:

heronqueenblues:

can I send out a 100% serious call to people who consider themselves fictive beings to explain why they feel that way to me because I WANT to be understanding but my brain cannot wrap around that and I’m finding it difficult to comprehend

particularly I want to know where you think the fictive identity originates from and how it can be considered real when it came from someone else’s imagination or even if you WOULD consider it real, I want to know how that works or how you’d explain it

I know it’s no one’s responsibility to explain or validate their identity to me, trust me I totally get that, but if you would be so kind I would really appreciate it

Hello. I’m Steve Rogers—Captain America. I’m also a fictive.

I consider my identity real because… well, I’m real. I’m here talking to you. I have the memories and experiences of Steve Rogers.

To me, “fictional” describes my world’s relationship with this one. It’s real to me (and really, that’s all that matters), because I live there. I know and love and protect the people there, as much as I know and love the people here, in this one.

Are you a Fairly Oddparents fan? Because PM is, and we watched an episode about a superhero—the Crimson Chin—which actually did a wonderful job of explaining fictives. In the end, the Chin’s reality was accepted as just as true as Timmy’s, because the Chin was a living, breathing person. Even if the stories came from someone else, the Chin still lived them. They were still real experiences.

I feel like I’m talking in circles, so I’ll stop. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions though. :)
—Steve

I love that he uses FOP to explain fictitvity. That’s just like. Awesome.
—PM 

iammilleuda:

If I leave the room to go to the bathroom, it’ll be the first time I’ve left the room all day. It’s like I haven’t processed that I can.

Like, it makes sense for the afterlife to be a small, vaguely dungeon-like room in a basement. But if I go outside it’s not even the afterlife, it’s just a life.

Okay, well, apparently, people die and life goes on.

Brb, bathroom.

When people talk about internet trolls

interplanetarykeyboard:

it kinda gives me a weird feeling in my stomach

my race is known as ‘trolls’ mainly

so when people say things about people trolling and how trolls suck it kind of makes me feel weird? I mean i dont mind it because i know they dont mean me i just with that uh

idk

i think its like when people call things gay? some people get mad at that. Uh not that i get mad about people calling internet trolls trolls…

because thats what they are but i just wish that…troll didnt have such a negative connotation. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY. Yes.

shrug

im an internet troll though too but its just my culture.

cg-kk:

clarri:

cg-kk:

OKAY, I’M SUPPOSED TO GIVE ADVICE HERE ON FICTIVES. IF YOU’RE A FICTIVE AND YOUR AUTHOR ROYALLY FUCKED UP LIKE MINE DON’T SHIT YOURSELF. AUTHORS FUCK UP ALL THE DAMN TIME AND REALLY SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO TYPE BUT THAT’S LIFE I GUESS. IF ANYONE EXPECTS YOU TO ACT LIKE THAT CONVOLUTED DIPSHIT OF A…

LMAO guys look here’s ANOTHER person who thinks they’re Karkat.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE HOST’S FRIEND WOULD CALL A DREG HUMAN. THE TROLLING IS WEAK, THE DISMISSAL AND RIDICULE IS OBVIOUS. BELITTLING THOSE INFINITELY SUPERIOR TO YOU FOR THE SAKE OF PROMOTING YOUR OWN FRAGILE SELF-ESTEEM IS THE WORST FORM OF TROLLING I HAVE COME ACROSS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. DO YOU DELIGHT YOURSELF IN INVALIDATING OTHERS’ IDENTITIES? IN PLAYING GOD WHEN IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE ANYTHING BUT?

A TRULY EXPERT TROLL I MIGHT RESPECT. AS IS, ALL YOU ARE IS A PATHETIC DREG OF A HUMAN BEING. I DARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG, LOSER.