You used to be salty and a little savory, but then you got bitter. Bitter is gross. What happened?
Anonymous

Factives happened.

Also: I don’t care. Bye.

melted-snowflake:

sunburnedhermitspider:

goddammitmax:

so is there shipping fanfiction/art yet of watchful-entity and melted-snowflake, or

You’re welcome.

This looks disturbing, but in a good way! I love it! Thank you! :D

listenupbitchcakes:

okamp:

socialjusticeally:

listenupbitchcakes:

Okay I get how transethnicity is offensive but why is it always lumped in with Otherkin. 

The offense of transethnicity is related to the systematic oppression of non-white people all over the world. But to my knowledge there has been no systematic oppression of werewolves and space elves and whatever else. Arguably there has been some on animals like pandas but I doubt they find otherkin particularly offensive, mostly because they are pandas.

What I’m trying to say is that until the Na’vi show up to say for themselves that otherkin are offending them, I’m not quite sure what the big deal is. If anyone wants to enlighten me, please feel free. 

Because they’re both ridiculous and have no logical basis at all?

“Pretending you’re something you’re not is okay as long as who/what you pretend to be is not real and sentient enough to get offended.”

Because the factual truth behind otherkinnery/transethnicity entirely depends on whether someone gets offended.

I’m not talking about factual truth. I’m talking about emotions. I’m talking about the fact that these people are doing something that makes them happy, and they aren’t hurting anyone, so being assholes to them doesn’t make you clever or better. It just makes you an asshole. 

Ridiculous beliefs/actions deserve to be ridiculed. Truth matters more than the emotions of some horribly misguided people.

It’s your completely ignorant and uncaring opinion that they’re not hurting anyone, especially themselves and the gullible/vulnerable folks who they’re able to influence.

socialjusticeally:

listenupbitchcakes:

Okay I get how transethnicity is offensive but why is it always lumped in with Otherkin. 

The offense of transethnicity is related to the systematic oppression of non-white people all over the world. But to my knowledge there has been no systematic oppression of werewolves and space elves and whatever else. Arguably there has been some on animals like pandas but I doubt they find otherkin particularly offensive, mostly because they are pandas.

What I’m trying to say is that until the Na’vi show up to say for themselves that otherkin are offending them, I’m not quite sure what the big deal is. If anyone wants to enlighten me, please feel free. 

Because they’re both ridiculous and have no logical basis at all?

"Pretending you’re something you’re not is okay as long as who/what you pretend to be is not real and sentient enough to get offended."

Because the factual truth behind otherkinnery/transethnicity entirely depends on whether someone gets offended.

Okamp.

navelgazed:

Come skype with us.

Please.

Do iiiit.

Sorry, I’m a busy girl these days. (Or, at least, always too busy for otherkin.) Life needs taking care of.

But, should I acquire a microphone/webcam one day, and get my accent sorted out (to make sure I’m at least understandable in speech), you’ll be the first person(?) I’ll think of. ;D

In your other posts you said you wanted to skype with “haters”? Am I a “hater”? And are you sure you want to begin on such an awful note? Maybe I or others like me should ignore the invitation entirely if we don’t consider ourselves “haters”?

I don’t remember right now what I have said about you specifically (or things that I’ve said that you felt applied to you personally) — but please feel free to point out to me some things that I’ve said that I should be able to say again face-to-face. Even if we can’t talk right now, at least I’ll consider if I have said things that I wouldn’t be able to repeat directly.

See also, this reply.

sheepdoge reblogged your post: Fin. 

so long, okamp, you were a pain in my ass.

Glad to have served you right.

Fin.

On social justice and how otherkin and plurals are like Raëlians

If otherkinnery has a place in social justice discussions, then it’s only in so far as religions and other belief systems have place in them. And you’re in luck, lots of liberals/SJ’ers actually care about religious diversity and freedom of religion (just look at how they all flock to defend Islam). So IMHO if you frame your kinnery in terms of a belief system (rather than in terms of personal identity*) then you might have better luck in the SJ circles plus people may view you as more honest/sensible than the average tumblrkin (because you’d be admitting that your experience is subjective and quite possibly has nothing to do with universal truth at all — but regardless of that you have the right to live with your beliefs).

(*Imagine if, say, a Christian phrased their beliefs in terms of identity. Imagine they said they identify as someone who is inherently Christian, that it can’t ever change because it just can’t and he has no choice at all because it’s simply true, and imagine he should be allowed to do all the things his beliefs tell him without criticism because it is supposedly a part of his inherent identity.)

I think it’s really sneaky and bastardly that some otherkin and plurals try to edge their  way in as an identity group on par with other oft-mentioned identity groups (you know who I’m talking about), in order to have a slice of that attention and support that they receive. Problem is that you’re not justified in receiving a comparable amount of support/understanding from the wide audience. Of course you want to think that you are, but you’re not. As a group you’re somewhere on par with various new religious movements, like the Raëlians. You deserve about as much special accommodation and outsiders “educating” themselves about your condition as they do.

Now why is that?

Obvious. Because you have no proof and your explanations are outside of this world. If you think your claims of your experiences should be enough then obviously you don’t understand how the real world works. (People [the “wide audience”] should have  more important concerns than things that can’t even be verified as legitimate concerns.) Things like reincarnation, spirits or “co-consciousness” (“headmates”), and even species dysphoria (for the “psychological” otherkin) aren’t even coming close to being considered real. They don’t even sound likely.

I personally support reincarnation research and looking further into things like species dysphoria and whatever other things that may explain some people’s claims. Not that I really believe we might get some positive results but it would be closed-minded not to try at all. Everything is possible, after all. Just some things are more likely to be possible than others, and we don’t actually have a shortage of likely explanations for certain otherkin and plural claims.

Anon, turn around slowly.
For draven/wyrmsyn: I think most otherkin don’t. And besides that, I want to remind everyone, you can of course have opinions about Harris, but you need to keep in mind that he has nothing to do with what’s going on here. He isn’t actually here. There’s just some manchild who pretends to be a psychic medium.
Speaking of which, here’s another reminder for Karkles to give a call to Mr. Randi. Come on, man, a million dollars, how can you say no? Plus you can prove to the world what amazing powers there exist. You’ve “shown” us how your characters walk around in different people’s heads plus you’re communicating with someone who’s dead. That’s like totally amazing so why not prove it? Hmm?

Anon, turn around slowly.

For draven/wyrmsyn: I think most otherkin don’t. And besides that, I want to remind everyone, you can of course have opinions about Harris, but you need to keep in mind that he has nothing to do with what’s going on here. He isn’t actually here. There’s just some manchild who pretends to be a psychic medium.

Speaking of which, here’s another reminder for Karkles to give a call to Mr. Randi. Come on, man, a million dollars, how can you say no? Plus you can prove to the world what amazing powers there exist. You’ve “shown” us how your characters walk around in different people’s heads plus you’re communicating with someone who’s dead. That’s like totally amazing so why not prove it? Hmm?

Maybe this is awful to say?

pumpernickelandcoal:

I will absolutely rethink my relationship  with someone, or criticize someone’s identity if they are doing something, or identifying in a way that is actively harmful. 

And I think that’s the problem in the Karkat situation.  Eric Harris was a harmful person.  That Karkat’s Reb has not apologized, pushed to make amends or or otherwise made it clear that he understands that the things he did continue to have a painful impact to this day makes me uncomfortable to the point that—yes, in my opinion, if it’s possible for Karkat to ask him to leave, Karkat SHOULD.

You’re approaching this the wrong way. Having Harris as a headmate does not magically make a person more harmful than he already was. Because, get this, he does not ACTUALLY have THE Eric Harris in his head. It’s an act, or fake in any case. Karkles has absolutely no right to speak, even make “apologies” or “amends”, on Harris’ behalf — BECAUSE HE LITERALLY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. Making any “true” claims about Harris at all is offensive or at least disturbing as fuck considering that people who were affected by Harris’ actions are real live people.

And I don’t understand why I even have to say this stuff to anyone, it should be obvious.

People thinking their opinion of me was ever relevant. I was just trying to avoid the otherkin wrath in the early days, but this little project here is pretty much completed so it doesn’t matter anymore.
Also do note that it was specifically the so-called factives that caused the change of atmosphere here. If I’m openly hating on anyone, it’s the factives, (not every single otherkin and multiple). What they’re doing is unacceptable and that’s not even up to debate.
You’re only proving what a toxic community this is by choosing to ignore the factive bastards (and all the other problematic users) and deciding to “disapprove” of me instead — for daring to point this stuff out. Go on, shun me all you want. Excommunicate me. Tar me without any actual arguments. Keep acting more and more cult-like, this is exactly what I need to prove my point.

People thinking their opinion of me was ever relevant. I was just trying to avoid the otherkin wrath in the early days, but this little project here is pretty much completed so it doesn’t matter anymore.

Also do note that it was specifically the so-called factives that caused the change of atmosphere here. If I’m openly hating on anyone, it’s the factives, (not every single otherkin and multiple). What they’re doing is unacceptable and that’s not even up to debate.

You’re only proving what a toxic community this is by choosing to ignore the factive bastards (and all the other problematic users) and deciding to “disapprove” of me instead — for daring to point this stuff out. Go on, shun me all you want. Excommunicate me. Tar me without any actual arguments. Keep acting more and more cult-like, this is exactly what I need to prove my point.

‘I’ll Believe You if You Believe Me’ - on Otherkin and Multiple Systems

integrated-mind:

Here’s a quick post on multiplicity (and otherkin) and their disparaging view on critical thought. Just in the Tumblr tags today I read these words:

Think things through before you judge people. We plurals and ‘kin should especially understand that we have to stick together.

Multiples and otherkin have grown up inside a community that values blind acceptance above all else.

Below the cut I discuss just how and why multiple systems (and otherkin) are promoting a dangerous community. Here’s the gist of it for those looking for a quick reblog:

Under multiplicity’s laws you can be whomever you wish. There is no standard, no baseline, no rules to ever be broken, no taboos. This is why the community is addictive and harmful: you will never be questioned on who you are or why. If you are engaging in dangerous behavior or belief systems you will never be questioned on it, and that breeds not only a disconnect from reality, but a disconnect from what is right and wrong.

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Well, if the Karkat who posted it is his factive, by their own logic, isn't that the exact same as him posting it?

[insert alternate timelines/universes excuse here]

I checked the K’s blog again and, honestly, none of their excuses or explanations matter, like no one should even be playing along anymore — it’s very obvious that they’re consciously lying. It’s disgusting, really.